antique versus classic

garyl · Post by **garyl** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:52 pm

When does an airplane change from a "classic" to an "antique"?
Gary

3958v · Post by **3958v** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:33 pm

When Saint Poberezny wants it to. As far as I know most classics were made after WWII while most Antiques were made before WWII. Exceptions were made for the last of the Staggerwing Beechcraft made after the war and I believe some of the 46 Fairchild 24's These are the rules as I understand from the EAA. As things stand now our 170s will never be antiques. One of my pet peeves is how they let more and more planes into the contemporay catagory each year and never want to move the older classics into a better catogory as far as parking. While I am an EAA member who thinks they have done a lot of good I do feel that the organization should be run in a more democratic fashion. Bill K

doug8082a · Post by **doug8082a** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:56 pm

garyl wrote:When does an airplane change from a "classic" to an "antique"?
Gary

It won't. The dates for those categories are fixed.

From the EAA Judging Guidlines:

II. DEFINITIONS
A. Antique Aircraft
An aircraft constructed by the original manufacturer, or his licensee, on or before August 31, 1945, with the exception of certain Pre-World War II aircraft models, which had only a small post-war production, shall be defined as Antique Aircraft.
Examples: Beechcraft Staggerwing, Fairchild 24, and Monocoupe.

B. Classic Aircraft
An aircraft constructed by the original manufacturer, or his licensee, on or after September 1, 1945, up to and including December 31, 1955.

C. Contemporary Aircraft
An aircraft constructed by the original manufacturer, or its licensee, on or after January 1, 1956, up to and including December 31, 1967.

garyl · Post by **garyl** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:14 am

Thanks for the information Bill and Doug. I was under the impression as I believe a lot of people are, that it becomes an antique after a certain number of years, much like cars. Now I know and thanks again.
Gary
1953 C170B, C-FZRT, sn 25966

doug8082a · Post by **doug8082a** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:53 am

The only category where new planes become included each year is Contemporary. They add a year to the category each year. i.e. Contemporary is currently 1/1/56 - 12/31/67, in 2007 it'll be 1/1/56 - 12/31/68 , in 2008 it'll be 1/1/56 - 12/31/69, etc.

170C · Post by **170C** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:48 pm

I too am an EAA member, but who put EAA in charge of deciding what aircraft fit into what categories except at EAA events?

jrenwick · Post by **jrenwick** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:36 pm

170C wrote:I too am an EAA member, but who put EAA in charge of deciding what aircraft fit into what categories except at EAA events?

You're right, Frank. The EAA (VAA) only controls its own events.

The Antique Airplane Association (http://aaa-apm.org/info/whatis.html) defines these categories:

Pioneer Period 1903 - 1914
World War I Period 1914 - 1918
Antique or Golden Age 1919-1936
Classic 1936 - 1942
World War II 1940 - 1945
Neo-Classic 1946 - 1950

Best Regards,

John

doug8082a · Post by **doug8082a** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:53 pm

You're right. I should have clarified that in my previous post. Each organization has it's own categories. There is no one governing body that sets the categories for everyone.

Post by **GAHorn** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:50 am

Wellllll aawwwwrrrrriiiiigggghhthhhhhttttttyyyyyyyyy then!!
As a psuedo-expert of The Int'l Cessna 170 Association, I propose that OUR organization declare that all airplanes with round tail-feathers manufactured prior to that mfr's introduction of tricycle landing gear configurations be identified as Antiques!
Airplanes mfr'd with tricycle gears during that time Elvis spent in Germany be Classic! , and those airplanes with tricycle gear and/or all airplanes made with plastic body-parts since Elvis died be declared JUNK!!!!

futr_alaskaflyer · Post by **futr_alaskaflyer** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:56 am

170: Antique
170A: Classic
170B: Neoclassic

Post by **GAHorn** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:14 pm

futr_alaskaflyer wrote:170: Antique
170A: Classic
170B: Neoclassic

170B w/Franklins: Clashic

jrenwick · Post by **jrenwick** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:24 pm

gahorn wrote: 170B w/Franklins: Clashic

Fastic!

John

futr_alaskaflyer · Post by **futr_alaskaflyer** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:33 am

jrenwick wrote:
gahorn wrote: 170B w/Franklins: Clashic
Fastic!

John

Static

170C · Post by **170C** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:36 pm

ATTA BOY George (OC)

Get em

Wait a minute, my bird has some plastic in it & it once had a nose training wheel. Geeze now what do I do

futr_alaskaflyer · Post by **futr_alaskaflyer** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:23 am

WHeeee! Found out this morning it's no longer static and ready for the neoclassic/fastic category again

The International Cessna 170 Association