The International Cessna 170 Association

Just wondering how high per gallon avgas has gotten at various airports in different parts of the country. As of yesterday, 3/29, here at LaFayette, Georgia (9A5), 100 low lead is $2.85 cash or $2.95 credit card. How much is it at your airport?

Harold

At Jefferson County International in Port Townsend WA,it's about $2.65,credit card only.
Car gas at my local Safeway just went down two cents--hope it's the start of a trend!

Eric

Last I checked it was $2.80 in Mansfield, MA. Car gas here just keeps going up.

$2.60 at Thun Field (aka Pierce County Airport) yesterday
(Identifier = 1S0)

Hoquiam was $2.40 a couple of weeks ago.

(For those reading not on the Left coast, the above two
are in Washington State).

Scappoose was still $2.10 as of about a month ago.

(Scappoose is in Oregon)

Bela P. Havasreti
'54 C-170B N170BP

In northern California ('tween Sacramento & Lake Tahoe):
2.60 at Nevada County Airport & Georgetown for 100LL

2.29 at Cameron Park for 87 octane, 2.49 for 100LL

I can't understand why Georgia's automobile gas prices are generally below the national average but Georgia's aviation gas prices are generally higher than the national average.

Harold

Payson, AZ $2.85 100LL

Wichita Falls Municiple: $3.38 (Piedmont Hawthorn). They give us a 50 cent discount for the rental Arrow we keep there. I pay $2.15 self serve accross town at Wichita Valley where I keep the 170.

WOW Bruce, $3.38?

I've always been gouged at the big airports on cross countries and avoid them like the plague. I like the AirNav website for fuel planning.

Why don't we all log onto http://www.airnav.com/ and post our local gas prices there. Then we'd all have a better resource as well as help others and all the while, we'd be giving business to the dealers who give us great prices!
Local prices for 100LL here in central Texas:
88R Spicewood $2.20
5R3 Lago Vista $2.13
BMQ Burnet $2.05
GTU Georgetown $2.20
6R9 Llano $2.05
T28 Lampasas $2.05
77T Kittie Hill $2.10 (MoGas $1.55, think I'll go fill my car!)
T74 Taylor $1.85

George,

I don't know about the price at our airport today, but, after the news announced that OPEC was cutting production, all of the gas stations in the area raised their prices at least ten cents today. $1.70, 1.80, 1.90 is the norm as of this afternoon. I think it is rediculus that they raise the price at any news item when even if the price per barrel was raised today that oil is a long time in reaching the market as gasoline. IMHO. Relative to your post about Air Nav, I often check it but prices on it are often out of date. I wish we had a T74 Taylor in our area.

Harold

I agree the gas pricing is a load of BS.... Our local (car) gas
stations do the same thing. They react at Mach 7+ speed when a
news item *may* influence the price of gas at the pumps months
down the road, but like you suggest, the gas in their tanks has
already been paid for at a fixed price. Another BS thing for us
here is that all of our (car) gas (as I understand it) comes from
Alaska, and it all goes to the same distribution center in Anacortes.

It's all the same base/raw gas, but Chevron adds "Techroline"
to make it Chevron, Shell adds whatever it is they add to make
it Shell, and so on....

It seems a bit odd that the gas retailers can react so quickly to
news to *raise* the prices, but it can take months on-end for the
prices to dwindle back down after the perceived "crisis" is over....
(witness the pipeline failure in Phoenix awhile back.... How exactly
did that effect our distribution/demand in the Seattle area when our
gas comes from Alaska???).

Pure and complete BS in my book (I've e-mailed several of the gas
companies bitching about it, but a lot of good that will do....). Went
so far as to suggest federal regulation of gas prices (maybe if enough folks suggest that, it may have an effect....).

As far as http://www.airnav.com goes, the proprietor of that site will
not update the gas prices if the airport in question doesn't pay Airnav's
fee structure. The only airports on that web-site/database that have
up-to-date information (on fuel anyway) are the ones that "subscribe"
to Airnav. The smaller "Mom & Pop" airports who can't afford, or for
whatever reason, don't want to pay Airnav's fees don't get to play,
except for having their basic airport information (runway length, etc.)
posted for "free".

Bela P. Havasreti
'54 C-170B N170BP

These were the most recent prices in my local area (east Tex), but they are subject to change.

Athens (F44) $1.95
Teague (68F) $1.85
Palestine (PSN) $2.49
Tyler (TYR) $2.97

Bela, Paulo Santos is the webmaster/owner of AirNav. He does not require an FBO to subscribe to his website in order for you and I to update our fuel purchasing experiences or the way we are treated by the FBO's. Anyone can update the fuel prices.
FBO's who wish their contact info and other notices published must become subscribers. (The introductory two-year free service ended. Paulo did this website as a college project, I'm told. It's a great idea. It's possible to use the site free of charge, but a "voluntary donation or subscription" is always appreciated.
I especially like his cheapest-fuel flight planning options, and routing software.

My apologies... I based my "rant" on the fact that I submitted
numerous fuel-price updates to Airnav over the time-span of a
year or so, and none of the "updates" seemed to take hold as-it-were.
This conincided with reading "stuff" about Airnav in Usenet awhile ago
where it came out that it went from a "free" service to one where a fee
structure was implemented.

I just did a little poking around, and you're right.... At least
in theory, fuel prices and comments from pilots are not directly
tied to FBOs that pay (or don't pay) subscription fees. That doesn't
explain how my fuel price updates I submitted either took
months to show up (and I'm only assuming they were "my"
updates....?), or they never showed up at all.... It's a bit frustrating
to take the time to look up FBOs along your cross-country
route that supposedly have less expensive fuel (according to Airnav),
only to find upon arrival that the fuel is $.20 - $.30 cents more per gallon
(or more) than what was listed on the internet, and the "other airport"
20 miles away (where you bought fuel before) was actually cheaper.
The term "Bait & Switch" comes to mind....

Truth be known, I use Airnav all the time (not specifically for fuel
prices, but more for general info on airports I haven't been to before).

The beauty of the system when it was "totally free" was we,
the end-users, benefited from information solely provided by
us. Think of the beauty of a centralized place for information
on places to fly where the average-Joe pilot could search for
and find/expect the best bang for the buck (be it fuel prices, service,
or otherwise), and it was all from the horses mouth (us). That's what
we had before the fees began.

That being said, I can at least imagine what the costs are associated with
maintaining/providing all this information, and that it couldn't be provided
to us for free forever (wish there was a way it could be....).

But in comparison, there are car gas price web-sites out there
(http://www.gaspricewatch.com et al) that I have found to be much
more accurate / up-to-date with respect to fuel prices quoted on
the respective web-sites and what you actually found at the pump
the next morning (after browsing the web-site the night before....).

I guess I'd be willing to pay a reasonable fee per year or whatever
to get truly accurate information on fuel prices & airport information.
Perhaps something that could be wrapped up into an existing (AOPA,
EAA, etc.) membership fee..... ala the Aeroplanner "EAA Flight Planner"
which EAA members can use for free. At this point however the
lack of accuracy of fuel prices reported on Airnav (at least in my
opinion) serves to detract from it's usefulness in that specific regard.

Bela P. Havasreti
'54 C-170B N170BP