LAHSO 4000 feet??
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LAHSO 4000 feet??
I was reading this FAA document that lists all aircraft types and their flight plan designators. But it also has Land And Hold Short Operations codes for each aircraft, and I see that the 170 is category 4, meaning that at LAHSO airports, the 170 must have at least 4000 feet of runway available in order to be issued a LAHSO landing clearance. Really? That's the same as a Beech 18, a Debonair, and a 680 Commander. 172s and other comparable airplanes are all category 1. C180 is category 2. What makes them think we're such poor pilots?
- Ryan Smith
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They probably realize the average 170 owner is old as dirt and factor attrition of flying skill.
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not the first typo in a gov't document.
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I am more concerned about the Wake Catagory F. I am now considered a Cessna "Heavy". LOL
52' C-170B N2713D Ser #25255
Doug
Doug
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Doug, It looks like the FAA's heaviest category for wake is "A" and the lightest is "F". Go figure.
Gary
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It's not a reflection of the C170 relative to other aircraft. You are interpreting that oddly.
It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.
The pilot can ALWAYS reject any LAHSO instructions and he accepts it only at his discretion.
It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.
The pilot can ALWAYS reject any LAHSO instructions and he accepts it only at his discretion.
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
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50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
- Ryan Smith
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The point is a 172 is a category 1 aircraft. The 170, for all intents and purposes, is an identical aircraft, is a category 4. Better argument - what about Ole Pokey? Frank DOES have a 172 that is, in every other way, identical to a 170 save for the different-shapd empennage. Why the difference? Half the time I'm coded as a C172/U even though I clearly say Cessna One Seven Zero Slant Uniform when getting flight following. Do I get to call the tower when they are doing LAHSO and I accept with less than 4K feet of runway at sea level and they have me in the system as a 172?gahorn wrote:It's not a reflection of the C170 relative to other aircraft. You are interpreting that oddly.
It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.
The pilot can ALWAYS reject any LAHSO instructions and he accepts it only at his discretion.
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DaveF wrote:at LAHSO airports, the 170 must have at least 4000 feet of runway available in order to be issued a LAHSO landing clearance.
OKgahorn wrote:It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.
But the real question is, why the difference between the 170 and 172? I'd guess it's just ignorance of the type by the guy who made the table. It bugs me because I want to be asked to land and hold short!
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If you get upset every time you find an inconsistency created by a federal government agency, you're probably upset continuously.......
Ragwing S/N 18073
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Hey Ryan, I represent that !!Ryan Smith wrote:They probably realize the average 170 owner is old as dirt and factor attrition of flying skill.
Ed Booth, 170-B and RV-7 Driver
- Ryan Smith
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You only just turned 79. You're a spring chicken still! Also, I highly doubt the second applies.edbooth wrote:Hey Ryan, I represent that !!Ryan Smith wrote:They probably realize the average 170 owner is old as dirt and factor attrition of flying skill.
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I'm surprised George didn't pick up on the 4000' LAHSO.
It only applies to red ones!
It only applies to red ones!
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
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Thats because the red ones are a whole lot faster!!!!!!
Polished 48 170 Cat 22 JD 620 & Pug
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BRUCE are you going this let those guys get away with that RED talk
OLE POKEY
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