The International Cessna 170 Association

I was reading this FAA document that lists all aircraft types and their flight plan designators. But it also has Land And Hold Short Operations codes for each aircraft, and I see that the 170 is category 4, meaning that at LAHSO airports, the 170 must have at least 4000 feet of runway available in order to be issued a LAHSO landing clearance. Really? That's the same as a Beech 18, a Debonair, and a 680 Commander. 172s and other comparable airplanes are all category 1. C180 is category 2. What makes them think we're such poor pilots?

They probably realize the average 170 owner is old as dirt and factor attrition of flying skill.

not the first typo in a gov't document.

I am more concerned about the Wake Catagory F. I am now considered a Cessna "Heavy". LOL

Doug, It looks like the FAA's heaviest category for wake is "A" and the lightest is "F". Go figure.

It's not a reflection of the C170 relative to other aircraft. You are interpreting that oddly.

It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.

The pilot can ALWAYS reject any LAHSO instructions and he accepts it only at his discretion.

gahorn wrote:It's not a reflection of the C170 relative to other aircraft. You are interpreting that oddly.

It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.

The pilot can ALWAYS reject any LAHSO instructions and he accepts it only at his discretion.

The point is a 172 is a category 1 aircraft. The 170, for all intents and purposes, is an identical aircraft, is a category 4. Better argument - what about Ole Pokey? Frank DOES have a 172 that is, in every other way, identical to a 170 save for the different-shapd empennage. Why the difference? Half the time I'm coded as a C172/U even though I clearly say Cessna One Seven Zero Slant Uniform when getting flight following. Do I get to call the tower when they are doing LAHSO and I accept with less than 4K feet of runway at sea level and they have me in the system as a 172?

DaveF wrote:at LAHSO airports, the 170 must have at least 4000 feet of runway available in order to be issued a LAHSO landing clearance.

gahorn wrote:It is actually a restriction upon ATC. They are not allowed to issue LAHSO to that category aircraft if less than 4K' of runway is available.

OK

But the real question is, why the difference between the 170 and 172? I'd guess it's just ignorance of the type by the guy who made the table. It bugs me because I want to be asked to land and hold short!

If you get upset every time you find an inconsistency created by a federal government agency, you're probably upset continuously.......

Ryan Smith wrote:They probably realize the average 170 owner is old as dirt and factor attrition of flying skill.

Hey Ryan, I represent that !!

edbooth wrote:

Ryan Smith wrote:They probably realize the average 170 owner is old as dirt and factor attrition of flying skill.

Hey Ryan, I represent that !!

You only just turned 79. You're a spring chicken still! Also, I highly doubt the second applies.

I'm surprised George didn't pick up on the 4000' LAHSO.

It only applies to red ones!

Thats because the red ones are a whole lot faster!!!!!!

BRUCE are you going this let those guys get away with that RED talk