1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
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Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
Thomas,
The first page of that Service Kit shows the brace to be p/n 0550159. The IPC for the 170B in fig. 50-13 shows two part numbers depending on s/n for that brace, p/n 0550159 and 0550159-5. Both of those part numbers have been superseded to p/n 0550179-1. There's one for sale online here. Preferred Air Parts and KRN both show several in stock. Put any of those part numbers in the search box at the top of this page and you'll find a lot of discussion about that brace.
The first page of that Service Kit shows the brace to be p/n 0550159. The IPC for the 170B in fig. 50-13 shows two part numbers depending on s/n for that brace, p/n 0550159 and 0550159-5. Both of those part numbers have been superseded to p/n 0550179-1. There's one for sale online here. Preferred Air Parts and KRN both show several in stock. Put any of those part numbers in the search box at the top of this page and you'll find a lot of discussion about that brace.
Gary
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Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
Thomas, I easily fabricated this part from 2ft of 3/8" 4130 tube with a .035 wall. bought it from Wicks, their part R3/8X035-41 $4.85ft.
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Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
WHAT diagram? Item 13 of the 170-B IPC, Fig 50 is PN0550159 or 0550159-1 which is made of 3/8” mild steel tube, flattened on ends with a tab welded near it’s center that tab attaches to the front/left carb mount stud, and the flattened ends are clamped (PN 0550157-5) around the tailpipes to get rid of a harmonic vibration which can lead to cracks.tshort wrote:So, the new mufflers have been received and fit up nicely. No issues with the cowl exit.
One issue. The diagram for the Hanlon-Wilson modification references a support bracket. This is #5 in the diagram.
I did not have any bracket / support on the old pancake mufflers. I discussed with Charlie Feld, this is not something they include / fabricate. He thought it might be p/n 0450340-1, which is used on the C-150 system and the C120/140 modification.
What is the correct part here?
Thanks in advance for all the help thus far. I am ready to get flying again!
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
I was referring to the service kit diagram, SK 70A51-1 Hanlon Wilson muffler installation 170 & 170A
So, will p/n 0550179-1 work for this application on my C-170?
This stuff gets awfully confusing...
So, will p/n 0550179-1 work for this application on my C-170?
This stuff gets awfully confusing...
Thomas Short
1948 C170 N3949V
RV-8 wings in progress
Indianapolis (KUMP)
1948 C170 N3949V
RV-8 wings in progress
Indianapolis (KUMP)
Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
It depends. The reason I write that is because of confusion regarding the illustrations and PN’s listed with those illustrations.tshort wrote:I was referring to the service kit diagram, SK 70A51-1 Hanlon Wilson muffler installation 170 & 170A
So, will p/n 0550179-1 work for this application on my C-170?
This stuff gets awfully confusing...
The SK shows PN0550159. That agrees with early 170B models.
That PN was subsequently re-designated 0550159-1 which fit later serials. Both illustrations (not necessarily accurate) indicate straight braces. The other PNs are for braces with two bends in them.
The Cessna 172 and Skyhawk later changed that PN again to 0550186-1 for later serials, but early Cessna 172/Skyhawks used the 0550179-1... not the -5 which was superceded as -1 per the post above. According to the 172 IPC, that also requires (2) Adel clamps PN 684-3-11-36P.
These issues arise due to reconfigurations of carb inductions etc in later aircraft that use the virtually identical engine setup.
Sorry for not being able to be absolutely clear about this, but the IPCs aren’t clear either. Those IPCs are for factory-original airplanes and are not concerned about people who have earlier airplanes that modify to later exhaust systems.
BTW, Cessna, who claims this part is superceded to the 0550179-1 says that part is called a “tube”, but the SK and the IPCs all call it a “brace”. Who knows what 0550179-1 really is... .... but it’s really really REALLY SPECIAL because Cessna wants $1,638.35 for it.
It must hold the whole airplane up!
For that amount of money one could make a hundred of them using the description I posed above and the IPC for guidance.
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
In my earlier posting I attached a link to this listing showing a NOS part with an 0550179-1 stamp on it. In the photo the part stands on three points. I can't do this with my brace so it is not an exact match to my part which I assume to be 0550159-1.gahorn wrote: Who knows what 0550179-1 really is...
Gary
Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
I can’t discern the “-1” on that first pic... but this thread exhibits some of the issues we run across with sourcing superceded parts on these old airplanes. The Adel clamps are another issue that is overlooked with the SK since the PN’s have been superceded. (No apparent revision on the SK that I know of.)
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
So I got the part from Preferred.
I thought it connected to the brackets at the shroud, but it is too short:
Does it attach down here, with other clamps?
Overall the whole thing seems too short to connect to the exhaust pipes ... ?
I thought it connected to the brackets at the shroud, but it is too short:
Does it attach down here, with other clamps?
Overall the whole thing seems too short to connect to the exhaust pipes ... ?
Thomas Short
1948 C170 N3949V
RV-8 wings in progress
Indianapolis (KUMP)
1948 C170 N3949V
RV-8 wings in progress
Indianapolis (KUMP)
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Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
Actually looks correct. There should be a band around each pipe that the support will bolt into.
Here's a photo from a couple months ago when we were working on 62C. You can see the bolt, just barely, from behind the pipe. Sorry I don't have a better photo for you.
Here's a photo from a couple months ago when we were working on 62C. You can see the bolt, just barely, from behind the pipe. Sorry I don't have a better photo for you.
Brian
1950 170A
N5762C s/n 19716
1950 170A
N5762C s/n 19716
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Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
Mine attaches to the same bolts that secure the clamps that hold the exhaust pipes to the bottom of the mufflers.
Miles
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Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
Take a look at the drawing in SL170/172-13 posted here.
Gary
Re: 1948 C-170 muffler / exhaust cracks
Thanks all for the pics and links - very helpful!
Thomas
Thomas
Thomas Short
1948 C170 N3949V
RV-8 wings in progress
Indianapolis (KUMP)
1948 C170 N3949V
RV-8 wings in progress
Indianapolis (KUMP)