Fun day in 44C
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Re: Fun day in 44C
Arash,
Your picture of the twin engined airplane on the pedestal, at what appears to be the Santa Monica Airport, looks like a Dizzie Three. I have been typed in the Douglas Racer and have qiute a bit of experience with same, but I've never seen one with spinners anything like that. Curious. Makes me wonder.
Your pic of Princeton Harbor reminds me of when I was a real young guy driving a dump truck hauling fill from a quarry in El Granada. We were filling up a swamp to build the Half Moon Bay airport which would be just to the right of the area shown in the pic. Looks like the picture was taken on a right hand downwind for landing to the north. That was my last job before I joined the U.S.Army Air Force in 1942.
We used to duck hunt in that swamp back when I was about 12 to 16 years old. There was no Princeton harbor in those days, In bad weather, boats used to shelter there kind of behind Pilar Point, shown it the upper part of your pic. The harbor breakwaters shown were all built post world war two.
During prohibition, Princeton was a common landing point for bootleggers in fishing boats to bring booze ashore from the "Star Of Scotland" which was laying off out beyond the 12 mile limit. The old pier, shown coming out from shore on the right side of the pic, was the landing point. It was said that booze could only be landed there when the U.S.Coast Guard cutter was in attendance and the "by the case" landing fees were paid to the skipper.
These details of this semi-clandestine business was told to us by Dan Bartolotti, owner of "Dans Place", an Italian resturant in Moss Beach. He was my dads bootlegger, and my dad always said that Dan made the best whiskey he ever drank.
Your picture of the twin engined airplane on the pedestal, at what appears to be the Santa Monica Airport, looks like a Dizzie Three. I have been typed in the Douglas Racer and have qiute a bit of experience with same, but I've never seen one with spinners anything like that. Curious. Makes me wonder.
Your pic of Princeton Harbor reminds me of when I was a real young guy driving a dump truck hauling fill from a quarry in El Granada. We were filling up a swamp to build the Half Moon Bay airport which would be just to the right of the area shown in the pic. Looks like the picture was taken on a right hand downwind for landing to the north. That was my last job before I joined the U.S.Army Air Force in 1942.
We used to duck hunt in that swamp back when I was about 12 to 16 years old. There was no Princeton harbor in those days, In bad weather, boats used to shelter there kind of behind Pilar Point, shown it the upper part of your pic. The harbor breakwaters shown were all built post world war two.
During prohibition, Princeton was a common landing point for bootleggers in fishing boats to bring booze ashore from the "Star Of Scotland" which was laying off out beyond the 12 mile limit. The old pier, shown coming out from shore on the right side of the pic, was the landing point. It was said that booze could only be landed there when the U.S.Coast Guard cutter was in attendance and the "by the case" landing fees were paid to the skipper.
These details of this semi-clandestine business was told to us by Dan Bartolotti, owner of "Dans Place", an Italian resturant in Moss Beach. He was my dads bootlegger, and my dad always said that Dan made the best whiskey he ever drank.
BL
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Re: Fun day in 44C
BL- That Super DC-3 also has gear doors, maybe they were prepping it for racing at Reno!
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
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It would make a great racer against a Dizzy Two! Our allies from the big war, the Navy, sprung for a few of those modified goons with the pumped up
Wright R-1820s and gear doors but they never did amount to much. The Convair 240s and the Martin 202s and 404s queered that plan for the commercials.
Wright R-1820s and gear doors but they never did amount to much. The Convair 240s and the Martin 202s and 404s queered that plan for the commercials.
BL
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What is the panel white line for? Left/Right? (God/underling?) I love the control lock. (Looks like it could be used to jumper across a battery solenoic, heh, Dick?)
I noticed that red one seems to be pulling ahead of the other....
I noticed that red one seems to be pulling ahead of the other....
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
Re: Fun day in 44C
Arash,
The old coast RR was long before my time. I think it was on the other side of the coast highway from the airport since we used to drive across the old RRright of way with the dump trucks coming out of the El Granada quarry on the way to the airport job. As a matter of fact, the truck scales were set up on the old RR right of way.
The old coast RR was long before my time. I think it was on the other side of the coast highway from the airport since we used to drive across the old RRright of way with the dump trucks coming out of the El Granada quarry on the way to the airport job. As a matter of fact, the truck scales were set up on the old RR right of way.
BL
Re: Fun day in 44C
Did you have to fight the Indians to deliver that dirt? (or were firearms yet invented...??)blueldr wrote:Arash,
The old coast RR was long before my time. I think it was on the other side of the coast highway from the airport since we used to drive across the old RRright of way with the dump trucks coming out of the El Granada quarry on the way to the airport job. As a matter of fact, the truck scales were set up on the old RR right of way.
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
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I'm wondering why Yak designers even bothered to try to make those planes retractable. With all the extra mechanism and weight required and as far out as the gear still sticks out, it couldn't make much of a real improvement in speed. They would be much lighter and look better if they had just left them fixed gear (and a taildragger). But I guess as a trainer, it got the students used to selecting the gear up and down even if it didn't do any good performance-wise.
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
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So that's where Republic engineers got the idea! The A-10 is configured in a similar manner, flap damage and rub strips on the tails is all that contact in a gear-up landing. The A-10 becomes a taildragger in that condition. If you zoom-in on the picture you can see light all the way across underneath it.
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
Re: Fun day in 44C
They even chocked it so it wouldn't roll away.hilltop170 wrote:So that's where Republic engineers got the idea! The A-10 is configured in a similar manner, flap damage and rub strips on the tails is all that contact in a gear-up landing. The A-10 becomes a taildragger in that condition. If you zoom-in on the picture you can see light all the way across underneath it.
Karl
'53 170B N3158B SN:25400
ASW-20BL
'53 170B N3158B SN:25400
ASW-20BL
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My nephew has been flying the A-10 since he got out of flight training in 1998 and has been stationed in Korea and Alaska and has made 4 trips to the desert in them. He was also the Air Force air show demo pilot for 2 years, I went to ten of his performances and they were awesome. A-10s might not be supersonic or land on carriers, but he says there is no better feeling in the world than pulling that trigger. He emphasizes "NO better".
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
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Yes, it was very cool. The picture was after his last performance at Nellis. That's his youngest brother with us, he and the middle brother both fly F-16s and get kidded all the time about their "little guns". He's now flying 737s for United in the real world but still flies in the AF Reserve. He said he will retire from the AF when the A-10 does. Lucky bas*ard.
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
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...then,...it's off to SIBERIA!Aryana wrote:..
When landed gear up, they were designed to have the wooden prop break apart (the M-14P had a gear reduction which supposedly buffers any damage to the crank), and it still lands on the exposed wheels saving the airframe. If the flaps are down, they will hit a little bit, but if they're up it pretty much rolls on the wheels. All you have to do is lift up the plane, extend the gear, put a new prop on and fly it away.....
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
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When I went up to Alaska in '95, I was headed home from Fairbanks flying about 2500 AGL. I was just south of Eileson(sp) AFB with the Richardson highway on my left hand side. It was a pretty smoky day and the visability was about three to five miles. All of a sudden something flashed by in my periferal vision on my right. What in hell was that ??? I got kind of jumpy. In a couple of seconds, something flashes by on the left. It was a goddamn A-10, right at my altitude, headed north going like a striped assed ape. I want to tell you that jets going the opposite way, in that kind of flight conditions, at your altitude, will really tighten up the old pucker string. I would have to assume they were headed for Eieleson. I guess the speed limit at low altitude doesn't apply inder the circumstances. I got down to about 500 feet above the road and stayed there for about half an hour. The buggers were painted gray and were damned near invisable in the smoky conditions.
BL
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No worries, bluEldr....they had you on their targetting-radar and FLIR! (How do you suppose they set you up for the show?)
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
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Excellent! I'm still waiting for an opportunity to witness that myself.
Richard Pulley
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!
2014-2016 TIC170A Past President
1951 170A, N1715D, s/n 20158, O-300D
Owned from 1973 to 1984.
Bought again in 2006 after 22 years.
It's not for sale!