Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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On an annual basis how many Cessna 170s get sold each year?


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Quantity for each year 2015, 2014, and 2013.

Some of you are quite adept at the Google.

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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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One would have to monitor the FAA database. Time consuming and not necessarily the easiest to draw accurate conclusions from.
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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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Bruce thank you for your input.

Inquiry was precipitated when I was trying to relate advertised price between a used Carbon Cub and an upscale C 170 B.

There seems to exist a jaw dropping disparity between the perceived value of two uniquely different taildraggers.
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A 170 is an airplane. A Carbon Cub is a lifestyle accessory.

Last year I saw an ad for a jet or turboprop, I don't remember what, that offered a free Carbon Cub with each purchase. This month's Flying magazine has a list of Christmas gift suggestions, and a $238,000 Carbon Cub is on it.
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I have always found it incredible that a person could think a $238K Cub is that much better than a $50K Cub. And BELIEVE ME a $50K Cub would be a very nice Cub.

This person, and I've meet more then my share, we probably all have in this hobby, doesn't have the same monetary limitations I have. They don't to have to and their value system is slanted that way. Why would you buy an old plane when you can buy a new one?

Personally I won't even buy a RC model of a Carbon Cub preferring the original.
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I'm with you Bruce. Give me the old/vintage/classic rather than the new. But then, I've turned into that guy that tries to fix everything rather than throwing it away.
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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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Ah but that Carbon Cub is fancy! (dreaming of a carbon 170) ( for much less of course :D )
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The Carbon Cub is an LSA with a 180hp engine. It's limited to 1320 lb gross and has only 24 gallons usable fuel. So it's a toy, though a very high-performance and fun toy. I'd love to have one, but I just can't seem to find that $238000 I thought I had laying around. But I'm sure glad there are guys who buy them. My mechanic once said, referring to one of his customers, "There's nothing wrong with spending 1.8 million dollars on an airplane. Just as long as it's not your only 1.8 million dollars."
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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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I always think it is relative, my 170 is probably a larger proportion of my net worth than his carbon cub is of his net worth. The nice thing is that I have just as much fun in my 170. I also find that whatever the budget, most guys just like aeroplanes and are as interested in your cheap one as their fancy one.
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It's also easier to get bank loans on new(er) airplanes.
I was lucky to find a bank willing to work with me when I bought 81D.

In talking to the bank; the bigger the loan, the lower the interest rate and the longer the payment schedule.
What that meant was the difference between a $50,000 airplane and a $150,000 airplane was only a hundred or so a month in bank payments.
The loan system promotes the purchase of new expensive airplanes over old worn out ones.

I doubt many of those $250,000 cubs flying around are without a bank note.
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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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It's all relative. I bought a 14 year old pickup the other day for $3100. If I had gone to the Chevy dealer instead and bought a new version of that same truck it would be over $50K! Lots of regular people buy new cars every day, even though perfectly serviceable used ones can be had for orders of magnitude less.

People with the means to do so buy new aircraft for many of the same reasons regular people buy new cars. Not all of those reasons are good reasons, but they justify it to themselves nonetheless.

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Having had the priviledge of ferrying 10 or so brand new Carbon Cubs from the factory to new owners all across the country I can see why some folks want them. These were the very first brand new airplanes I have ever flown in 46 years of flying and they were an absolute delight to fly. With the latest in manufacturing processes and materials, they fly like a dream. But the most impressive thing to me was the new Garmin G3X radio/GPS/autopilot/PFD/MFD. Maybe some day the G3X or its equivalent will be certified for a reasonable cost for our planes, yeah right, fat chance.

As cool as it was to fly those planes I would never buy one, I still prefer flying vintage planes, especially with round tails.
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hilltop170 wrote: as cool as it was to fly those planes I would never buy one, I still prefer flying vintage planes, especially with round tails.
And steam guages for me. I don't have any real knowledge or experience with flat panel displays, although I would like to try one out. I just like the look of steam gauges in my plane. Also I would worry about an all-in-one flat panel display like the GX3 going out resulting in a loss of ALL flight and engine info. Nothing's infallible and I've had enough computer displays die to know that a display can fail. I also wonder about their design/useful life. 5-10 yrs? And then what? Complete replacement? I doubt they are repairable. But then, as I said, I'm not really up to speed on them. OK, I've now firmly established that I'm a luddite.
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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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You are correct Gene. The electronic panels will fail. I have had two complete failures of different G3X panels in different planes and both failures brought up the same failure messages which the IT guys at Cub Crafters had never seen before and didn't know what they meant. Both times I manually shut down the system completely and when I restarted them they worked fine without any further problems. But in the meantime I had absolutely nothing to fly with. Luckily both times were in CAVU conditions so no harm done.

I'm with you on the steam gauges and never have gotten used to the tape style indications on glass panels.
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Re: Annual Unit Sales Volume of Cessna 170s

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Wow. That's very interesting info Richard.
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